-Cheryl- Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Hello Everyone, I have met with a new doctor who specializes in alternative cancer treatment approaches. He said, "It is like having a monster locked up in your basement....why just treat it with one bullet when 17 bullets would stand a better chance of destroying that monster." I was given both wet and dry microcoscopies of my blood, along with a regular cbc to see what my body was lacking/ or overproducing. My blood work was good, except my chol was 249. Last check was below 200. I admit I have been eating red meat, even liver, to boost my iron back up. So, the iron is excellent, but now the chol is a little high. I will work on that after the holidays. Ha! This doctor also is against sugar, including sugar from fruits if you have cancer! I am scheduled for a nutrition class in Jan. He also started me on a couple of supplements. One is supposed to lower my pH level. Being too acidic/ or alkaline lowers immune function, causes fatique, malabsorption of nutriants, digestive problems, hormone imbalances, the bones to leach calcium, insulin increase, fat storage, electrolyte imbalance, and also stresses numerous organs. The list goes on. The other supplement is called Artemisinin, which is an anient chineese herb traditionally used to treat malaria. It can cross the blood brain barrier, and causes significant tumor killing effects on aggrssive cancers. I was given an outline of other supporive therapies, and will report on them when I know more. I have done some research on these treatments, and there does appear to be some empirical data to support these paticular treatments. I would appreciate anyone's input if they themselves have tried any of these treatments. They do not appear to cause any harm, so I will give them a try. I will not refuse clinical treatment if needed. These treatments are intended as I said, supplementary. Thanks, Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Since you have expressed an interest in Alternative Therapies, I recently became aware of a website that has extensive information in this area. I have not absorbed all the information since there's so much of it and it will take time. The site is www.cancermagic.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 I just clicked on the website in my previous message and no access. You will need to visit www.google.com and type in www.cancermagic.com. On the next page click cancer magic - alternative cancer information and you will be in the United Kingdom site. I just did this and it worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 I am researching this myself. I do not think its likely that you could become too Alkaline, the real issue is the acidic level. I have a book called "alkalize or Die" (pretty harsh title) ..it recommends foods that can be consumed to raise alkaline levels. I have also heard of a compound called "Celsium" that is suppose to raise the alkaline levels in the blood- thus creating an Oxygenated state that cancer cannot exist in... thats the theory... try this site.... http://www.rainbowminerals.net/ Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 I am researching this myself. I do not think its likely that you could become too Alkaline, the real issue is the acidic level. I have a book called "alkalize or Die" (pretty harsh title) ..it recommends foods that can be consumed to raise alkaline levels. I have also heard of a compound called "Celsium" that is suppose to raise the alkaline levels in the blood- thus creating an Oxygenated state that cancer cannot exist in... thats the theory... try this site.... http://www.rainbowminerals.net/ Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 I am researching this myself. I do not think its likely that you could become too Alkaline, the real issue is the acidic level. I have a book called "alkalize or Die" (pretty harsh title) ..it recommends foods that can be consumed to raise alkaline levels. I have also heard of a compound called "Celsium" that is suppose to raise the alkaline levels in the blood- thus creating an Oxygenated state that cancer cannot exist in... thats the theory... try this site.... http://www.rainbowminerals.net/ Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 ALKALIZE FOR HEALTH, A SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR CANCER PATIENTS Balancing Body pH for Better Health and how this relates to cancer. In a nutshell - maintaining proper body tissue pH is critical for staying healthy. The pH (parts/percentage Hydrogen) scale ranges from 0 (very acidic) to 14 (very alkaline). Most people are born into this world with a pH near or at 7 (neutral pH). If you can keep your body tissue pH somewhere between 6.5 - 7.0 it is very difficult to get sick. A near neutral pH (green-blue range) is the goal. This is why most of the health and wellness folks are always eating green foods in abundance; these foods are loaded with alkaline elements to keep the pH balanced. Alkaline tissue holds 20 times more oxygen than does acidic tissue and this oxygen rich environment is critical for maintaining health and snuffing out the bad guys (anaerobic bacteria, viruses, fungi, etc.). Blood serum pH never changes (always a 7.37) if it changes more than .2 up or down you will die. However your body tissue pH will fluctuate constantly based on your diet and the foods/drinks consumed. Most every cancer patient tested will show a pH of 4 - 5, very acidic! This acidity of body tissue drives out the health giving oxygen. Low oxygen = an environment ripe for cancer. Cancer thrives in an oxygen deficient environment. Acidic pH = cancer magnet! HOW TO GET A GOOD pH READING? One of the best ways to get a fairly accurate reading of one's tissue pH is to pass a litmus paper through a urine stream first thing in the morning. The 1st urine in the morning is a pretty good indicator because the body has had all night to process the entire days nutrient ingestion and balance itself out- hence a good indicator of real body tissue pH. Do not be surprised if you test acidic. Most folks initially will test very acidic in the yellow zone (pH 4 - 5). Time to make changes to move this into the green zone (pH 6.5 - 7). Urinary pH is always more acidic than the saliva. A normal urinary pH reading in the morning should be somewhere between 6.0-6.4 while in the evening hour a healthy range is considered to be somewhere between 6.4 - 6.8. The pH of the saliva should be slightly more alkaline than that of the urine. A healthy pH for saliva fluctuates somewhere between 6.6 - 7.0. The best way to make your pH more alkaline is to stop consuming things that make acidity levels greater in the body- cola soda pop is a 2.0! It takes 32- 8 oz glasses of pH 8 water to counter balance 1 can of soda pop! Coffee is a 4! Most beer is somewhere between 2.5-4.2 depending on the brand. Folks that consume huge amounts of soda pop and/or beer are usually acidic and are magnets for most illnesses including cancer. Potassium and sodium are both 14 on the pH scale, calcium registers a 12 and magnesium is 9- all alkalizing elements for the body to shift the pH alkaline. Shifting pH normally takes some time so do not become discouraged in your climb out of the acid tank. Young children with high vitality levels will normally be alkaline and if they are not will normally return to an alkaline tissue pH in a matter of just a couple of weeks on the Eniva minerals along with minor dietary changes (eliminate soda pop and all sugar for quickest change). Adults take longer. You are probably looking at 3-4 months in your endeavor. Every mineral has an optimum pH that it likes and performs best in. Iron for example will perform best when the body tissue pH is between 6.0 - 7.0 while iodine has a much more narrow band width of performance (6.3 - 6.6). If the tissue pH is further out than this the body cannot maximize the mineral nutrient to effect the healing it should. http://www.rainbowminerals.net/Rust/rot_rust_tour5.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebbie Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Joe, That is so interesting! Thanks! One question though -- have you done this PH balance test w/ the litmus paper? Where did you get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 I havent done the test yet, not sure where you would find it... If you locate it let me know, because I want to buy some as well. Maybe a GNC? or at least they may know where it can be bought.... Merry Christmas ! Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO_Sugar Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 If it is standard litmus paper you should be able to get it at a hardware store (pool supply section) or any place that sells Chemistry sets. Don't know if that is what you are looking for though. God Bless, MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cheryl- Posted December 24, 2003 Author Share Posted December 24, 2003 Hey, Joe and Hebbie our diagnoses and treatments were almost identical, except I had surgery after treatment instead of before. Joe, thanks for the information! I bought a supplement called pH-Basic made with plant enzymes. The bottle came with pH test strips inside. There is a toll free # 1-888-918-1118 on the bottle. Also, a web site, www.enzymedia.com. Perhaps anyone interested can buy directly from them. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 Thanks MO SUGAR! Cheryl. Very similar (all 3 of us). I was originally thought to be a stage I, they found an involved lymph node after surgery when the Path report was done. I have had two cycles of Cisplatin & VP16 (every three weeks-- 80 cisplatin, 100 VP16), and just finished 28 radiation treatments. My Doc wants me to have 2 more Cisplatin/ VP 16 cycles. I have talked to 2 other oncologists that say I should take 3-4 weeks off now, and then do 2-3 rounds of taxotere. I really dont want anymore of the Cisplatin & VP16... Makes me feel awful, and my blood counts have really dropped low on both rounds.... I have no measurable disease right now .. there was a very small uptake on my PET scan (2.6) (done 11/5/03) that is either another lymph node (5mm) or inflammation from surgery. It was in the radiation field ... I meet with him next week..... Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Cheryl- Posted December 26, 2003 Author Share Posted December 26, 2003 Joe, May I offer you a "belated warm welcome to this board." You and Gina are such an attractive couple! We had the same treatment. I had two cycles of cisplat/ Vp16 chemo treatments- three weeks apart and 28 radiation treatments. Only, my surgery was after treatments. I was told this was to shrink tumors first. I had a pea sized tumor in my right mid lobe, and two mediastinal lymph nodes positive (Mediasteinoscopy performed-attempt at surgery postponed till after treatment). There was some uptake in r. spraclavicular node, but chemo kocked it out. Onc thinks this was a reactive lymph node. My surgeon said that there wasn't anything much left of the tumor after radiation, so it was easy to remove. Too much radiation makes surgery impossible because the lung tissue can't heal properly. So, guess the advantage of surgery post treatment is to shrink cancerous tumors and to have a better idea of what is left to go in and remove as far as lymph nodes. My onc also recommended no post surgery chemo. He said to give the body a rest. The cisplat/ Vp16 really caught up with me toward the end! I did really well till the en, then I couldn't eat, wbc and iron were low. I got a couple of shots of aresnap to boost my iron and platlets prior to surgery. I am so glad to get the break from chemo! It wiped me out as well! Plus, too much chemo will make it less effective when you really need it. Chemo is so hard on a body that it could leave you open to any opportunistic infection. Let us know what you decide to do Joe. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Thanks Cheryl... I am glad things look so positive for you. I have a very good feeling about my outcome as well. I am leaning towards taking abreak until mid January, and then finishing off treatment with two rounds of taxotere..... 2 docs (one at Karmonos in detroit, and the other at MD Andersen) both stated they provide a 3-4 week break after Radiation is complete. The one Doc that I saw at MD andersen says this is what he would do (taxotere 2-3 rounds) -- he is strictly a Lung oncologist -- whereas my guy, while Harvard trained , is a general oncologist...... I am ready to be done ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 we decided on the taxotere. I had my first round yesterday (1.5 hours chair time only!).. the final two will be 1/26 & 2/15. the good Lord willing I will be done and cured for good ! God Bless everyone. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebbie Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Joe - I had taxotere as well (although I had it once a week for 6 weeks, with Carboplatin thrown in there every 3rd week). The taxotere is not so bad, and like you said, the infusion time is pretty short. Hang in there! Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karen335 Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Joe/Hebbie, Did you have Taxol/Carboplatin as a chemo. The onc I go to wants to start Taxotere the end of this month. She says it is a preventative chemo, keeps cancer from returning. Did your onc's say why they want to give you Taxotere? I was not able to have surgery. Radiation onc gave me too much radiation to shrink tumor (66gy rads.) Didn't consult with onc. so made me ineligable for surgery. That was her goal surgery. She (onc) is not lung specialist. I do not have 100% confidence in her. I am considering going to Hoag Hospital in Newport Beach, CA for treatment. They are supposed to have very good Lung Specialists there. Or maybe Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles, CA... I believe the Lord has healed me. Had a broncoscopy on Oct. 23rd, 2003. Pulmonary doc couldn't find tumor and biopsy came back negative. I asked onc. why pulm doc says negative and per the PET done on Nov. 22nd says still activity in upper right lung. She said she didn't know. I did have pneumonia in Sept. and I still had not gotten completely over that when I had PET done in November. I asked onc if infection shows acitivity on PET and she said yes, any infection in an area. My onc is a Breast Cancer specialist. I feel super, easy breathing, no pain or fatigue. No chemo since Oct 27th, 2003. Chemo prior was on Sept. 3rd, 2003. Had to stop for almost 2 months due to pneumonia, she gave me last chemo in cycle (had total of 4) the end of Oct... She said I needed to finish cycle even though it is two month later. We started cycle of 4, which was every 3 weeks on July 23rd and finished like I said Oct 27th... Any advice. Thanks for your help. God Bless Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebbie Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Karen I'm not sure exactly WHY my doctor chose that particular protocol for me (Taxotere/Carboplatin), but in my situation, the surgery had removed all visible cancer, and the radiation and chemo were considered "preventative". With regards to your doctor -- if you do not have 100% confidence in her, you should follow your instincts and switch to the specialist you recommended at another hospital. I know it is a scary thought, changing docs and starting over, but confidence in your doctor and their prescribed treatment is so important! Also, regarding your recent bout with pnemonia, just out of curiosity, had you/have you had a pnemonia shot? I had one about a month ago and have been wondering just how effective they are and how many people on board have had one....but that may be a post for another tiem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Karen, I was originally suppose to have 4 rounds (q 3 weeks) of Cisplatin & Etoposide.... per a european study that demonstrated statiscally significant a 5% survival advantge in stage I, II, and IIIA resected patients that had that regime (improved 5 year survival from 44% to 49%). I had surgery, they originally thought I was a stage I, but they found 1 lymph node positive (1cm) when they did the pathology of 7 lymph nodes taht were taken out. Really weird the ones closest to the lung & tumor were fine, one in the chest was positive. Also the tumor was extensively "neucrotic"- meaning it was pretty much dead. We decided to swtich because I had concurrent radiation & chemo, and he felt it was appropriate to scale things back a little. there is a study with 3B patients (no surgery) that had concurrent radiation and Cisplatin/ Etoposide (2 cycles) and then either continued with 2 more cycles of Cisplatin / Etposide OR switch to Taxotere for 3 rounds (SWOG study). The Taxotere group did statistically significantly better than those that continued on with Cisplatin & Etoposide. The theory is that throwing something new at any residual resistant cancer cells is a more effective approach... hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karen335 Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hebbie/Joe Thank you very much for your replies. I was never really staged. The docs at UCLA said they thought I was 3A... That is why the onc said she wanted to do surgery after chemo/radiation. Since the radiation onc gave me too much radiation trying to reduce tumor, I am no longer eligible for surgery. Scar tissue does not heal. My question to Thorasic Surgeon at UCLA is, why not just remove scar tissue. They said I probably would never leave the hospital. Odds are about 5% leaving hospital after surgery. Pretty frightening... I truly believe the Lord didn't want me to have surgery, that is my belief. I am not being stupid about my health care. I just want to be sure all is being done properly and doctors are up to date on currents treatments and medicines/clinical trials. Really appreciate your information. Each situation is unique and depends on if one has had surgery and how one responds to treatments. Only our Lord, Christ knows... God Bless Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 well said.... surgery is definitely not the only route. I have seen many examples of long term survivors that have beat this thing with radiation, chemo , and good nutrition. Even in advance stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TraciAnn Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Will get my litmus paper from Walgreens. They didn't have it in stock yesterday, but the pharmacist ordered it for me and it should be in tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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