Hebbie Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I thought I would share with you some supplements suggested by the Intergrative doctor I have been seeing. I spoke with my medical oncologist today and he reviewed the list and gave me the "go ahead" to start taking them, so I feel pretty comfortable about it. *Keep in mind that I am not currently in treatment, and anyone considering taking supplements during chemo should check with their doctor! Here is the list: High antioxidant multivitamin HerbaGreen Tea Liquid Extract (equivalent to 15 cups of tea) N Acetyl-Cysteine (liver detox support) Grapeseed Phytosome (liver detox support) Coriolus VPS Mushroom (immune support) Omega-3 Fish Oils (anti-inflamatory agent) Turmeric-Curcumin (anti-inflamatory agent) Boswellia-Boswellic Acid (anti-inflamatory agent) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisa Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I'm on similar complementary care/herbs/vitamins from my herbologist (also with my oncologist's blessings): A custom blend chinese herbal tea (nasty tasting) containing many things including ganoderma, astragalus, polyphenols, mushroom (I think Shiitake), licorace root, ginseng, co-10, and other traditional chinese herbs which I don't have the translations for; traditional vitamins (A,C,D,E,Selenium,Zinc); green tea capsules; Mega Soy; modified citris pectin; MGN-3; resveratroI; IP6 with inositol; tumeric (curcumin); cholestene (a natural statin); thymus spray, celebrex; juice plus; Omega 3; worm wood (artemisinin); Thisilyn, PSP (Cloud Mushroom). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I always read that soy / genistein is supposed to reduce cancer risk. Lately I have read about soy interfering with thyroid function and also acting like estrogen which may fuel certain cancers. The article below discusses this and seems not to think there is an issue, but people taking soy should know the pros/cons http://www.drlark.com/nc/brh_soy.asp http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.h ... onId=76903 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebbie Posted May 5, 2004 Author Share Posted May 5, 2004 John, Interesting that you brought up the soy/thyroid connection. I have been taking Synthroid for the past 11 years for hypothyroidism. For the past several months, my levels have been continuously too low each time I go for blood test.........it has finally been determined that I have been taking my synthroid along with my morning breakfast of oatmeal made w/ soymilk......and synthroid BINDS with the fiber and soy and effects absorption of the drug! It was suggested that I take the pill an hour to two hours prior to breakfast, and try to cut out the soymilk that early in the morning and eat my soy later in the day. It's amazing -- you eat healthy and think you are doing GOOD.......it never occured to me that FOOD could be affecting my meds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave s Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Hebbie, My wife has been on Synthroid for about 15 years. A few years ago her TSH levels became erratic and she was told also to take the synthroid at the same time each day and at least 1 hour before eating which helped with the erratic TSHs. BTW she recently switched to Armour Thyroid (contains T3 also) from Synthroid (T4 only) and is very happy with it. Something to keep in mind in case your response to the Synthroid ever starts to fade. Best Wishes, Dave S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Dave, I have also read that Armour may be better since it does contain T3. The old thought was that T3 is not needed Synthroid I read has had manufacturing problems I don't know how accurate this is, but here is a reference http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/sy ... oblems.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloesmom Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Heather, This is all really interesting to me--I guess I feel we need to do everything we can to stay well here. I wonder why he didn't recommend selenium? I know it's in Phase III trials right now for lung cancer prevention. I take 200 mcg every day. It's really inexpensive too, as those things go. I am also taking vioxx 25 mg per day for its COX 2 enzyme inhibitors. I know it's not proven to prevent tumors, but as long as the onc says it won't hurt me, I'm going to take it. I can't take celebrex because of it's sulfa ingredient--I'm allergic to sulfa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebbie Posted May 5, 2004 Author Share Posted May 5, 2004 Good question about the selenium and i will talk to him about it next time see him. The only thing I can figure is that maybe these mega-multi vitamins he prescribed have a lot of selenium in them? I haven't started taking them yet, I have to go to the office to pick them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bean_si (Not Active) Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Here's what I take after doing research on the web and reading dozens of books: Herbs & Vitamins (4 times a week) Astragalus Root 1.41g B-100 Complex Chromium 200 mcg CoQ10 200mg Dandelion Root 540 mg Flaxseed Oil 1000 mg Garlic Oil 0.2 mg Glutathione with Vit. C (ascorbic acid) 200/200mg Grape Seed Phytosome 50mg Inositol Hexaphosphate 800 mg. Magnesium Citrate 170 mg Milk Thistle 80% Silymarin 180mg (Blessed Thistle) /175 mg Milk Thistle MycoMedicinals Host Defense (Mushroom Complex) Probiotic E and Selenium 50 IU & 100 mcg Wobenzyme N Enzyme Formula Zinc Caps 50 mg Other Natural - Daily Protein Drink (Soy power with spirulina and multivitamin & minerals) Essiac Tea - 1 cup Kukicha Twig Tea - 1 cup Kyo-Green Drink (Barley Grass, Brown Rice, Wheat Grass, Chlorella, Kelp) Other Natural - Occasionally (2/wk) Kombu Lotus Root Slices Miso Soup with Maitake mushrooms and Dulse sea vegtable I think I'll add tumeric (my rad onc recommended it), the green tea extract and drop soy protein & start whey protein. I get enough soy through tofu dishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave s Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 I'm delighted to see others posting the supplements they take or believe in. My list has changed numerous times as my circumstances have changed and as I have encountered new data. My current list is as follows: alpha-Lipoic Acid , 600mg Beta Carotene , 25,000 IU Biotin , 3000mcg Calcium , 1110mg Celebrex , 400mg Co-Q10 , 200mg Flax seed oil , 4000mg Folic Acid , 800mcg Glutamine , 30g Grape Seed Extract , 150mg Green Tea Extract , 450mg Magnesium , 266mg Melatonin , 15mg MGN-3 , 1000mg Selenium , 400mcg Vitamin A , 24,000 IU Vitamin B12 , 1000mcg Vitamin B6 , 100mg Vitamin C , 18,000mg Vitamin D , 400 IU Vitamin E , 1200 IU Zinc , 50mg Quantities are daily totals. Some are taken in split doses. I'm currently considering some changes but haven't decided for sure yet. Thanks again for the info. I'll be checking into the things I'm not already familiar with. Dave S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebbie Posted May 7, 2004 Author Share Posted May 7, 2004 Chloesmom ~ I checked on that Selenium issue and the multi-vitamin he recommended (Nutrient 950) has 200 mcg of selenium in it, which is the same as the selenium supp you are taking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhutch1366 Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Heather, I found the selenium included in the anti-oxidant supplement I take. OXOXOX MaryAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bean_si (Not Active) Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 News about Essiac tea, survivors who believe it helped or cured them. http://www.essiac-resperin.com/en/report01.html You can get the (supposedly) original formula, Essiac tea here: http://www.essiac-resperin.com/en/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloesmom Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Here are my current list of medications and supplements that I want to share with you all. I have just done this as a result of reading various things, some here, some not, and going over all with my onc. Plan to see her again next week and will add in any suggestions. Here it is: tamoxifen 20 mg/day (to prevent recurrence of breast cancer) Effexor (was taking to offset some side effects of tamox, I am weaning my self off of it) Vioxx 25 mg/day (COX 2 inhibitor) Multi vitamin Anti-oxidant selenium 200 mcg green tea 315mg 2x per day calcium--1200-1500 mg per day vit c--1000 mg per day (over and above what is in multi and anti-oxidant) Green Earth Foods (algae, barleys, whey other supposed to be really good for you foods) Baby aspirin Been thinking about Omega 6 fatty acids, and maybe some other things, but have to be careful about things like soy because I had an estrogen receptor positive breast tumor and soy is like a natural estrogen. I also eat apples and broccoli and cauliflower and green pepper and berries and all that good for you food----- I have a morning and evening pill container right now because I don't have enough room in one to put all of the day's supplements. I don't care though, I'd take twice that much if I thought it would help twice as much. Can anybody think of anything else I might want to add? Hebbie--I am really glad you are getting that selenium--I know that it is in final trials right now--and I also know it won't hurt you and isn't expensive, so why not? I find it so interesting that most of what you take is about immune system. I have always felt that stress plays a big role in cancer and a lot of other diseases because stress brings down your immune system and then those diseases like cancer can take hold. At least nutrition and supplementation is something we can control to a certain extent----I looooooove seeing new things on this thread...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisa Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Dear Chloesmom, You may want to look into Curcumin (Turmeric) and Modified Citrus Pectin powder, both for their anti-cancer properties. Do a google search on each one with cancer (i.e. Curcumin+cancer; "Modified Citrus Pectin"+cancer) and see what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 Hi I noticed in all the protocols that they have low to know vitamin D3. High dose D3 in my opinion is very important in a cancer protocol.This is often overlooked by alot of people when they build a protocol. Vitamin D3 is also synergistic to taxol/taxotere, this is often overlooked also. There are other things that are synergistic to taxol that get overlooked. If the reader gets the time to read my wifes story in the link below it may help one to do some research into some things they haven't thought of yet. http://www.thecancerzone.com/pam.html Take Care Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Here is a good site to look up supplements and their benifits: http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/i ... HS,00.html This is an interesting article on supplements and chemo http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/anti4-5.html that we received from my mom's natropath doctor. Faylene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chloesmom Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Thanks everyone for the interesting information and references. Sounds like I have some searching and reading to do along with some additions to my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bean_si (Not Active) Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I thought I'd ressurect the subject of supplements and alternative clinics http://www.lchelp.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=9590 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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