Joe B Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 http://www.cancure.org/budwig_diet.htm Has any tried this diet - or researche dit in terms of effectiveness? Does any one know if any studies have been done when a person follows this protocol in a disciplined manner? ... thnaks, also any information about diets, supplements and natural approaches to eliminating/ reducing cancer and or future growth would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Joe, I haven't heard of the Budwig, but when I was researching to find more helpful ways to assist my FIL with his recurrence in July I came upon a great website by a dietician named Diane Dyars. She lives in your neck of the woods, Ann Arbor I believe. The site address is http://www.cancerrd.com/index.html It is worth checking out. She has her story as a cancer survivor, her credentials, menu and recipe ideas as well as tons of links. I had forgotten about it for awhile until I read your post. If I remember correctly she has some connections to the University of Wisconsin hospitals and was also Michigan Dietician of the Year at some point. I remember little tidbits like that because I am a Wisconsin native...yep, a cheesehead. (Suppose you are a happy Lions fan after Thursday's game. ) Anyway, sending prayers your way for a strong and victorious battle against this beast. You seem to have that positive attitude and the whole "knowledge is power" idea in your arsenal, along with your faith and a good Bible quote. Love that Isaiah verse, I have it hanging here in my living room written in beautiful calligraphy. It got me through natural childbirth with my firstborn who was 2 ounces shy of 9 lbs.! God bless~ Karen M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Hi Joe Go to the link below and then enter FO/CC into the search archive. Take particular attention to the posts by Cliff Beckwith he knows more on the subject then enyone I know. Cliff also has a board dedicated to just FO/CC but I don't belong to it. Cliff keeps everybody on the board below up with the latest on FO/CC. I kind of lean more towards omega 3's from the sea myself but at the same time I have read alot of good things on Flax oil, I think it depends on the person and what kind of cancer their fighting, it is well worth looking into in my opinion. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ca ... =135691309 Take care Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 A diet with flaxseed oil & cottage cheese certainly can't harm you. The Budwig approach also recommends large amounts of foods containing natural sugar such as fruits which I would not recommend. Take a look at an approach that has helped many cancer patients and makes far more sense: www.kushiinstitute.org. Also, do a search using the word: Macrobiotics. Do as much research as you can on nutritional healing for cancer patients. Make this an extremely high priority. For cancer patients it's crucial. Since you're young you won't have a problem handling a major dietary change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Thank you Karen, Jim & Michael.. I appreciate the links and advice. I have also found out recently (looking at the pathology report from MD Andersen) that I have a Mucinous Adeno with "prominent Bronchiolalvelar (BAC) features". I do not know if this changes my approach from a nutritional standpoint. Does anyone know anything about BAC? Thnaks.. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimblanchard Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Hope this helps a bit, just for tonight. (Fay A. on this board can bring you up to speed quickly on BAC from personal experience) Bronchoalveolar Carcinoma (BAC) is a form of adenocarcinoma, a cell-type of non-small cell carcinoma of the lung. It represents approximately 10 to 25% of the adenocarcinoma of lung cases or 2-6% of all lung cancers. PRESENTATION BAC may present as a solitary peripheral nodule, a multifocal lesion, or a rapidly progressive form that appears as a diffuse infiltrate on chest radiograph. The cells secrete mucin and surfactant apoprotein which can lead to bronchorrhea, an excessive discharge of mucus from the air passages of the lungs. TREATMENT The management and prognosis are essentially the same as other types of non-small cell lung cancer. Surgery is the preferred treatment if the tumor can be resected. Radiation therapy and chemotherapy may be used in non-operable cases. Trials are underway to investigate treatments specific for bronchoalveolar carcinoma. Iressa appears particularly active against BAC. =========================================== There is research strongly suggesting beta carotene may actually encourage/increase the incidence of LC. Positive potentials are hoped for from Selenium & Co-Enzyme Q-10, per separate academic-based research reports. NSCLC/PBC since 1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebbie Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Hi Joe, I haven't heard of the Budwig diet, but I've read LOTS of books on nutrition -- a few of my favorites are: "What To Eat If You Have Cancer", which is a pretty simple read and gives you diets for during treatment and after treatment, breaking down food groups and explaining how each type of food feeds your body (i.e. Cruciferous vegetables vs. Antioxident vegetables) and "Beating Cancer With Nutrition", which is a little more strict (for lack of a better word) and recommends avoiding ALL simple sugars (he promotes sugar as a cancer-feeder). I've also read up a lot on the Macrobiotic diet -- books by Michio Kushi and Christina Perillo (she has several Whole Foods cookbooks with some pretty good recipes). There is so much information out there on nutrition, some of it good, some of it really OUT THERE -- I've come to the conclusion that you have to use common sense in some cases and if I read the same thing in more than one or two different sources, it can't hurt to give it a try! Keep me posted on your ongoing research as well -- feel free to PM me with the details or for more info on my research! Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 BAC usually does not metastasize outside of the lungs. Some people have pure BAC and others have a mixture of different cancer types (histology). It is a non-smoking type of cancer I believe. I think it is generally less aggressive if it is pure BAC. http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/cache/456458279.htm Some researches say it does not respond to chemo/radiation, others think it does It is often successfully treated by surgery, since it usually does not metastasize outside of the lungs. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: June 9, 2003 HER2 RECEPTOR MAY BE IMPORTANT TARGET FOR BRONCHIOALVEOLAR CARCINOMA THERAPY (CHICAGO) — A new study suggests the combination of two new “smart drugs” may be effective in treating bronchioalveolar carcinoma (BAC), a type of non-small cell lung cancer generally considered resistant to chemotherapy. Researchers from UC Davis Cancer Center reported the finding last week at the American Society for Clinical Oncology annual meeting. “This is an important breakthrough,” said Paul Gumerlock, associate professor of hematology & oncology at UC Davis Cancer Center and an author of the study. “It suggests a combination of drugs that block EGFR expression with drugs that block HER2 expression may have potent activity against a previously untreatable form of lung cancer.” Iressa and Tarceva are examples of EGFR blockers; Herceptin was the first HER2 blocker to reach the market. All three drugs are examples of a new generation of so-called “smart” chemotherapy agents that specifically target cancer cells. About 3 percent of all lung cancer patients have pure BAC tumors, and about 20 percent of all non-small cell lung cancers possess some BAC features. Unlike most lung cancers, BAC occurs more frequently in women than in men, and more frequently in nonsmokers than in smokers. It appears to be increasing in incidence. Patients with BAC generally live longer than those with more common non-small cell lung cancers, but BAC tumors are usually too diffuse for surgery and unresponsive to existing chemotherapeutic agents. Preliminary research from other centers and anecdotal reports from around the country have suggested a role for the EGFR blockers Iressa and Tarceva in BAC. The UC Davis study provides new evidence that combining an EGFR blocker with a HER2 blocker may be more effective than an EGFR blocker alone. In the study, UC Davis investigators examined tissue specimens collected from BAC patients enrolled in a previous clinical trial of the drug paclitaxel. The specimen bank represents one of the largest collections of BAC tissue in the country. Wilbur Franklin, professor of pathology at the University of Colorado in Denver, participated in the study. The investigators found that although EGFR and HER2 expression varied among the tumors, BAC proliferation correlated with HER2 but not EGFR expression. “This suggests that perhaps it’s the combination of EGFR and HER2 that may explain the unusual biology of BAC,” Gumerlock said. Scientists at UC Davis Cancer Center, who participated in the design of the first clinical trial of Iressa in BAC patients, now hope to launch a clinical trial of HER2- and EGFR-blocker combination therapy in the treatment of BAC. Copies of all news releases from UC Davis Health System are available on the Web at http://news.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Jim, Heather & John, Thank you for the info....... Heather, i have the book " what to eat if you have cancer" , and "Natures cancer fighting foods".. both very good. Check out the Budwig thing, the theory is intriguing, and there are many examples of good outcomes associated with patients using the diet. Its doesnt taste that good, but it cant hurt you. John, I think I am fortunate in that I have the single primary nodule type of the BAC adeno.... everything I am reading is encouraging regarding the less likely nature of it to mets, and the slow growth pattern. My concern is that I am reading that radiation & chemo are under debate as being effective with this form of adeno... & I am ready to start my second cycle of Cisplatin & etoposide (wdnesday 12/3) and do not want to do anything contraindicated. I am 1/2 way thru radiation...Trying to speak wth a expert oncologist in this area without much luck.... Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadstimeon Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Hi Joe, Just want to add my two cents. I have BAC. I’m at stage IV. I have mets to my adrenal glands. So it can spread outside the lungs. And I have had very good success in getting it under control with chemo. See my signature below. Of course no two diagnoses and treatments are the same and staging plays a major roll. It's best to gather all the information (The Power Of Kowledge) and questions you can and get together with your oncologists and go over everything. It is very confusing to say the least. Hope this helps. Peace, take care and God Bless. Rich Note: Adenocarcinoma: This type accounts for about 40% of lung cancers. It is usually found in the outer region of lung. People with one type of adenocarcinoma, known as bronchioloalveolar carcinoma (sometimes called bronchioalveolar carcinoma or bronchoalveolar carcinoma), tend to have a better outlook (prognosis) than those with other types of lung cancer. ************************************************************* The Power Of People Helping People / The Power Of Knowledge / The Power Of God / The Power Of Believing / The Power Of Positive Thinking / The Power Of Never Taking No For An Answer / That’s The Key ************************************************************* Questions To Ask The Doctor About Lung Cancer http://www.plwc.org/plwc/MainConstructo ... 08,00.html With Every Breath A Lung Cancer Guidebook / From ALCASE / A Wealth Of Information / Free http://www.alcase.org/education/publica ... reath.html The Cancer Survival Toolbox / Free / From NCCS http://www.cancersurvivaltoolbox.org Clinical Trails Listing Service / Center Watch http://www.centerwatch.com Lung Cancer In The News / GOOGLE http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&editi ... ung+cancer The Wellness Community / National Cancer Support, Education And Support / Free http://www.thewellnesscommunity.org/pro ... /guide.asp Drug Information Online http://www.drugs.com ALCASE / Alliance For Lung Cancer Advocacy, Support, Education http://www.alcase.org Unites States / National Library Of Medicine http://www.nlm.nih.gov Health Information / Medical Encyclopedia http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/encyclopedia.html Google / Great Search Engine http://www.google.com R.A. Bloch Cancer Foundation, Inc. / Please read: A Letter to all newly diagnosed cancer patients http://blochcancer.org American Cancer Society / No Matter Who You Are, We Can Help http://www.cancer.org Cancer Information Service / NCI http://www.cancer.gov Cancer Research Center / A Cure For Cancer... http://www.cancerresearchcenter.org American Institute for Cancer Research; Nutrition Hotline / AICR http://www.aicr.org Cancer Hope Network / Cancer? http://www.cancerhopenetwork.org Association of Cancer Online Resources / Free Online Lifeline For Everyone Affected By Cancer & Related Disorders http://www.acor.org Lung Cancer Information Library / Electronic Library Of Comprehensive Educational Materials On Cancer For Healthcare Professionals And Patients. http://www.meds.com/lung/lunginfo.html ************************************************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimblanchard Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 From the website of the National Cancer Institute http://www.cancer.gov/cancerinfo/pdq/tr ... ference2.3 You'll likely have its contents memorized quickly. Also great to re-visit often to learn of new clinical trials. Lists the currently accepted protocols of treatment for all types of NSCLC. ========================================== Do you know the *staging* component of your diagnosis? ========================================== HTH! NSCLC/PBC since 1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimblanchard Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Check out the targeted article below: http://www.plwc.org/plwc/MainConstructo ... 019,00.asp (from The American Society of Clinical Oncology's website) Another place to visit often to keep up-to-date! ============================================= **Has additional warnings about Beta carotene & Vitamin E possibly linked with increased incidence/development of LC ============================================= You may need reading glasses soon! Lots of info to arm yourself with for the journey. It's so very imperative for YOU to seek to know as much about your particular diagnosis as anyone possibly can...because YOUR life now depends on YOUR ability to make very well-informed decisions AND pro-actively assertively obtain the very best treatment & monitoring available. ============================================= IMPORTANT: **Please** make sure you take a COMPLETE list of all your current vitamin supplements, nutritional supplements, and the ingredients/contents of any particular diet you are following to your Onc! This is CRITICAL, as some of the above can reduce the intended effects of the chemo & rads!! NOT a good thing!! If the Oncologist is unaware of this reality, now at least YOU know. Hopefully, you were advised by the Onc's office to STOP/SUSPEND any potentially counterproductive items within the above, AT LEAST for the duration of the Chemo/Rads therapeutic effect...which would be (approx.) 3-4 months after treatment ends. ============================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebayou Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Jim.. I am presently taking beta carotene supplements as well as Vitamen E and other.. When my naturopath put me on these as well as an immune boosting diet, I did a fair amount of research on the web re: the above. Everything that has been said about beta carotene being somewhat questionable relates to smokers ONLY. There is no evidence of it being detrimental in any way for non-smokers. They do however go on to say that studies done with non-smokers have shown up to 44% reduction in certain cancers as well as being beneficial to non-smoking lung cancer patients. So, for the moment I will continue to supplement but will nevertheless run this thru my oncologists in the spirit of keeping an open mind and seeking perhaps the results of more recent studies. My 2 cents worth .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Thanks Rich ! I will be sure to call on you often now, knowing we have the same type of Adeno... Jim, heres my staging info... (IIIA) see below... I was diagnosed with Stage IIIA adeno after a lobectomy of my right middle lobe (10/02/03) (originally path-- a" well circumscribed centrally necrotic tan, 2.9 X 2 X 1.5 CM mass abuts the adjacent plueral surface). Th adjacent lung tissue is congested. 1 out 7 lymph nodes tested postive for metasis.(lower paraesophageal) 1 CM bronchial margin= Uninvolved plueral surface = Uninolved histological grade = 1 inflammatory reaction= moderate blood vessel invasion = absent mitotic index = 1 other desease= atelectasis Took pathology slides to U of Mich-- that staed the"presence of extensive necrosis and the cytologic appearance of the neoplastic cells raises the less likely possibility that this is a metastatic colonic adenocarcinoma" Original path dept tested for TTF antigen - which was strongly expressed- thus ruling out a colon metasis Finally ( i know this is long) ***** MD Andersen looked at the slides and stated "Mucinous Adenocarcinoma with prominent Bronchioloalveolar features (BAC). I have already started concurrent radiation (daily - 28 treatments) and chemo thearpy every 3 weeks - 4 cycles Cisplatin & Etoposide . I have completed 1/2 of my radiation and 1 round of chemo (my second round is scheduled for this wednesday 12/3) ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimblanchard Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Joe, One last link re: BAC for you...today. You'll remain in my thoughts daily, and I may find other items for you as the days ahead arrive. http://www.plwc.org/plwc/MainConstructo ... id=&state= ============================================== RE: Beta carotene & Vit. E Warnings I do not smoke either, but ANYthing in ANY population even remotely linked with an increased incidence of LC is something I'd avoid. Not using beta carotene & Vit. E supplements is suggested by the American Sociey of Oncology, and we're taking their advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimblanchard Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Joe, Promise you'll do this? ================================ IMPORTANT: **Please** make sure you take a COMPLETE list of all your current vitamin supplements, nutritional supplements, and the ingredients/contents of any particular diet you are following to your Onc! (Any Licensed Clinical Nutritionist working with your Oncology treatment team can also assist in the eval of your overall intake) This is CRITICAL, as some of the above can reduce/"dilute" the intended effects and effectiveness of the chemo & rads!! NOT a good thing!! If the Oncologist is unaware of this reality, now at least YOU know. Hopefully, you were advised by the Onc's office to STOP/SUSPEND any potentially counterproductive items within the above, AT LEAST for the duration of the Chemo/Rads therapeutic effect...which would be (approx.) 3-4 months after treatment ends. =============================== Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Jim, Promise. I did talk to my Onc about this he said multi vitamins are fine, and the E, Selenium, , B & C I am taking in addition are OK. He suggested I speak to teh RadOnc doc. I did he said to kick down my E to 400 IU daily... which I did. I am not taking any beta carotene directly, although I am eating alot of fruits & veggie (including carrots) Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 It is good that the grade is 1. Chemo typically works better when the mitotic rate is high. You might want to look into the tarceva/herceptin combo. I am not a Dr, but it may seem reasonable. BAC does metastasize but it would be the case for a higher grade tumor and GENERALLY it does not outside of the lungs. I have read that sometimes the pathologist doesnt determine the correct type, so you might want double check the pathologist. http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/5_9.htm I think if the grade is higher then chemo would work better. Remember chemo works good on SCLC because the cells divide so fast. Also do your own research on antioxidants. Most Oncs say not to take them with chemo, but if you do some research, you may find evidence that they actually help chemo. I am not saying take them or do not take them, just find the info for yourself. http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/higdosofando.html Dr Prasad has done a lot of research on this issue and it seems good, but you have to decide for yourself with your doctors input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebbie Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Hi Joe, One more note on beta-carotine and all the confusion as to whether or not it is good for LC -- I read that several studies were done regarding Beta carotine supplements and (as you stated) it is not recommended for smokers, but ok for non-smokers. However -- that only applies to the SUPPLEMENTS. You can eat all the beta carotine veggies you want -- you can eat them until you turn orange -- and it doesn't matter if you are a smoker or not. Apparently, when they make supplements, they can't exactly duplicate what nature has created. So while the supplements may not be good for smokers, the beta carotine found naturally in vegetables is just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonpi33 Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Greetings! I am totally new to this board and to this forum. I was diagnosed with metastatic lung cancer (to the brain) last Nov. I immediately began the Budwig diet. I also completed a course 14 brain radiation treatments for the 4 tumors that were there. As of today, I feel absolutely fine and will continue the Budwig diet ad infinitum. For further information on this one, there is a yahoo group: FlaxSeedOil2. This is a group of tremendously knowledgeable folks, many of whom are long-term survivors just on this diet. Here is another site that is specific information on this protocol: Budwig Flax Oil Diet ~~~ http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Ar ... rner60.htm Bright Blessings, Christina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karenl Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 Joe Have you checked out the Gerson diet? It is extremely strict and difficult to follow, but from what I have gathered, the basic principles make alot of sense for cancer patients, and there are many claims of success from people following this diet. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Joe & everybody You may find this post on FO/CC interasting. Cliff has been taking FO/CC for many years now for prostate cancer and has been helping others to understand how it works for almost as long. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ca ... sage/24887 Take care Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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