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John
I am not understanding your sentence with 2cm and 3 cm.
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Frank,
That is pretty weird. I think the smallest thing a Cat Scan can pick up is about 2-3mm, fairly reliably (sometimes smaller, and sometimes larger depending on location (whether it's hiding behind some structure or not) so to grow that fast in two months is really fast.
Maybe John or Oncodoc can help if they see this.
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Still wondering if anyone has done the Moss reports?
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Margaret,
I don't know but I do know that you are worried and I will send a ton of fortitude your and Jim's way.
I think others have had this and someone is sure to reply.
elaine
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Kicking this up!
Thanks to all who have participated!
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I am just kicking this poll up to the top! Remember I messed it up, but you can still just click whatever tests your Gp or PCP nornally ordered for smokers and I can figure out the per cents!
Thanks!
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Thanks Katha. I sure hope she gets wired again soon!
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Katha,
I also found this:
Malignant nodules usually grow at a constant exponential rate, which can be expressed as the tumor's doubling time (ie, the interval required for it to double in size). An increase of 28% in nodule diameter indicates doubling (1). In malignant lesions, the doubling time is between 25 and 450 days in most cases, with a median of 120 days.
Benign lesions are usually stable (ie, show no growth). Sometimes they grow slowly (ie, doubling time exceeds 500 days), but occasionally their doubling time falls within the time frame typical of a malignant tumor. A long-standing surgical dictum states that a solitary pulmonary nodule is almost certainly benign if it is stable over a 2-year period (which implies a doubling time exceeding 730 days). Stability is determined by retrospective analysis of one or more chest films.
A doubling time of less than 20 days usually signifies that the nodule represents a nonmalignant, acute inflammatory process.
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Katha
I found this in an article specifically about lung cancer so it does seem to apply:
"According to Dr. Black, lead time refers to the amount of time it takes for a tumor to grow from one cm to three cm, (2.3 years) at a constant doubling time of 180 days, which should add to survival time. Over-diagnosis is the detection of pseudodisease or false- positives, which can markedly increase reported survival rates. Tumor biology differences assume that there are only two types of lung cancer: aggressive and indolent. Aggressive tumors metastasize when they become 1 millimeter in size, but they remain hidden until they reach 1.5 cm. In contrast, indolent tumors do not metastasize until they reach over three cm in diameter. Under those assumptions, IA tumors might be either aggressive or indolent, depending on size, and curable or incurable, depending on metastases stage.
I also read a case history of a guy who had a 3mm lung tumor resected and within like 6 months of surgery, he had many mets. I think it has to do with how aggressive the pathology is.
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Bruce
Good thing you aren't a bear, cos Frank would be all over you!!!
elaine
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Hmmm
From what I have read, it NSCLC--adeno takes about 8-12 years to be come large enough to be seen on xray and squamous somewhat longer. (I am doing this totally by recall so I may be off a bit from what I read).
Hmmm John do you know how long they are there lurking before being able to be spotted?
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The weird thing is that I have been thinking with my admittedly layman mind about why mets occur and when they do why they occur where they occur--I wondered if they began to organize in weak spots and if so then besides taking anti oxidants then perhaps take supplements that strengthen the other commen places mets develop.
Couldn't hurt. Also this suggests keeping them moving, which could help.
Here are some natural angiogenesis inhibitors:
"A long list of dietary factors strongly inhibit blood vessel growth, among them resveratrol in red wine, as well as genistein in soya, catechins in green tea and brassinin in Chinese cabbage."
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Marianne,
Frank was hoping people would answer 1st place, but even blondes know the answer is second place!
Good try, Frank!
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John posted a link on another thread that I began to explore, and I found the following: (As a side note: I suffered for many years from almost daily headaches, which were often migraines; thus, I popped a lot of Exederin Migraine--oddly enough in the two years before DX, my headaches dropped to maybe one every two months or so--eek! so I stopped taking asprin, which is a blood thinner!). I wish I hadn't! Please note: I do know that my lung tumor was there long before two years ago--so I know that taking lots of aspirin did not prevent it from occuring.
"Tumors cells must stop in one location for 20 minutes to begin to colonize in another location. What would make tumor cells stop within the fast-moving circulatory system? A blood clot. The clot works like stickly fly-paper to catch tumor cells and start a new tumor-cell colony. Nearly all cancer patients exhibit a tendency towards thick blood. This is well documented in the medical literature, yet not one oncologist addresses this issue.
In 1979 a British researcher studied 532 of his patients taking blood-thinning medications for 12 years. Seventeen of these patients developed tumors, but none spread to another location, they remained local. Cancer patients should know that vitamin E, fish oil or flaxseed oil, magnesium and garlic are all natural agents that help to thin the blood and prevent the spread of tumors. A cure for the metastatic form of cancer was published in 1979, but the world missed it. "
here's the link. It's a good website, it seems.
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From what I can put together, Mr. Moss sends out a report based on your type of cancer and your stage. It does not seem to me that the reports are in any other way personalized as to pathology, performance status etc. Am I correct?
He charges 300.00 for the reports, and I am not sure what prevents anyone from sharing them.
So, does anyone have one?
Of all the people I have found on he web who espouse non-traditional treatments along with standard treatment, he seems to be the most respected or at least accepted by both "camps", to have the best credentials etc.
What do some of you others think and have you tried his reports or his books?
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Cat
Good to hear from you! Keep us posted. Prayers have been sent.
elaine
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Thanks Joe,
The "problem" with doing it with diet alone is that it is probably too slow and will thus cause the problem that I noted above--could cause the cancer to actually grow faster.
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I have been reading on this all morining and it's quite complicated. Especially troubling is this:
"There is research indicating that cancer grows slowly in a highly acid environment (because the acids cause it to partially destroy itself) and may actually grow more quickly as your body becomes more alkaline prior to reaching the healthy pH slightly above 7.4 where the cancer becomes dormant. Therefore, you will want to get your pH above 7.4 as quickly as possible by every means available. Plus, you will want to be attacking the cancer from every direction (the entire 8 step program plus other complementary treatments) simultaneously so that any lack of alkalinity is compensated for. Once you have achieved a pH above 7.4, it is useful to monitor your saliva pH regularly to ensure that your body remains sufficiently alkaline"
I do think there is merit in trying to get the body less acidic, but as that quote shows it is necessary to get to the desired level quickly!
For anyone else interested, this is a good page with good links. I dont think it could hurt, but I would be careful about taking cesium without doing more research as it can be toxic.
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/cancer ... atment.htm
Anyone here t aking cesium?
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Denise,
I feel such sadness for you and hope you can find comfort in your good memories. Your mom is always with you even though it feels as if you are alone.
elaine
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Good one!
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Once symptoms started. I tried fixing my other poll and apparently, I can't fix them once they are submitted.
This question excludes any "routine" x-ray.
Sheesh, I know better than to word questions this vaguely!! Don't let any of my s tudents know about this!!!
elaine
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Well, in trying to fix it, I made a mess of it!!! lol
I guess I can just do the percentages myself. So just hit one of the xray boxes or one of the Cat Scan boxes etc etc.
I can do the math after the poll is done.
Thanks and you look mighty handsome, Bruce!!
elaine
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Good Point Bruce! Prior.
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Again you may answer for your loved one, if you know the answer.
Thanks again for your help!
A MESSAGE ON HOPE.........................
in NSCLC GROUP
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Lisa
Wonderful and hopeful! Were you able to talk to the Dr about this? It does sound very good! Very, Very good!
One thing I do remember hearing is about stamina. How is Ahmed doing pysically and emotionally? Can you tell a difference in those things? Those are important, too! I sure hope so!
elaine